Ultimate 2x12 pairing

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Hello David, hello Vaughn,

I will hope you feel more as well and succesful with the ultimate Warehouse Sound?

Now, please let me have a question.

Vaughn, you have done a very good job testing a lot of WGS Speaker in a 2x12er burris cab?

You told us that your personal favorite is the ET65 -Reaper mix??

Which of the Reaper was it, the normal or the HP or the 55hz Reaper together with the ET65?

Therefore I have the big think of which way to go:

Should I take the  ET65 with the Veteran 30 (optimal standard overall soundmix?)

Or gives the ET65 with the ...Reaper more focused and warm Soundspectrum?

Or should I use a pair of 2 the same speakers???

Like Reaper 55hz plus Reaper?? Or Reaper HP?

The sound I want to get comes from overall 50 watt Tubeamps!

With that comes a Soldano HRO head 50 watt too, which sounds a little more trebly than

other ones.

Sounds should always be moderate; Rock, Blues, Clean Tone.

I hope this helps a little to give me experience from your professional Knowledge and Work?

So let me say thank you for help, and if I find the right way I will do it with WGS again.

Kind greetings from germany Holly

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My personal favorite is the ET65 with a Retro 30.  The ET65 also pairs well with the Reaper (30 or HP) and the new Invader.

ET65/Reaper = smoothest overall pairing

ET65/Invader = More aggressive (marshallesque)

ET65/Retro 30 = the best of both

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How does the ET65/Veteran 30 fit in against the above parings? I'm curious as it says on the ET65 Product Page "Possibly the best WGS speaker combination we can recommend is the ET65 paired with a Veteran 30™."

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This is just me ... personally ... I like the Retro 30 over the Vet 30 in every situation I've encountered thus far!  It does have the Celestion-like urgency in the upper midrange (like a good Vintage 30), but it is much more well balanced and a little more complex and articulate sounding.  Plus, the powder-coat is totally rockin...It's a very cool looking speaker!

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Excellent, thanks Vaughn. One question, I have a 1x12 combo and 1x12 ext cab and want to run the ET65/Retro 30 as a mini stack, both are open back. Will running them in different enclosures sound like running them in a 2x12 cabinet, or should I just get 2 of one type of speaker instead with this config?

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Excellent, thanks Vaughn. One question, I have a 1x12 combo and 1x12 ext cab and want to run the ET65/Retro 30 as a mini stack, both are open back. Will running them in different enclosures sound like running them in a 2x12 cabinet, or should I just get 2 of one type of speaker instead with this config?

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Separate cabs are great ... especially when we're talking open-back ... where there is a lot less speaker interaction than there is w/closed cabs.  I'm actually running my Burris through the exact combo you described and it's delicious!

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So would the difference in sensitivity between the Retro and ET65 not make a difference (2db)?  I always thought it was best ot keep them as close as possible.

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If you pair a Ret 30 & ET65, the Ret 30 ... with it's higher sensitivity, will be the predominate voice.

There is no rule that says you must have equal sensitivities.  It's like the ratio of sugar and lemon juice in lemonade ... it depends in how sweet or sour you want your lemonade ... :-)

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I've tried some comvinations.

 

- Green Beret + Reaper 55hz: 


Semi-open back: Good/punchy bottom end, with mids presents (in a good way) and good top end.


Closed back: the bottom end increases a lot, less mids, but in a good way.  
I prefer this convination with semi-open back, sounds more open and well balanced .

 

- Green Beret + Invader:


Closed back: Sounds good, classic rock style. Compared to GB/Reaper55hz this convination has more mids and highs, less bottom end, but in a good way.


Semi-open back: I do not recomend in a semi/open back, poor bottom end, a lot of mids/highs.

 

- Invader + Reaper 55hz: 


Like GreenBeret+reaper55hz but with more high mids. I like this comvination too.

 

- BlackHawk 50 + Reaper 55hz: 

Semi-open back: Excelent convination!!! smooth top end, punchy and well-balanced mids, good bottom end response (sounds fat!)
I like a lot this convination, I use it with AC30/6 Top boot.

 

Cheers

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HI Vaughn, you really seem to know the speakers well and combinations! I am looking to upgrade to WGS in a few cabs. All cabs are semi open back - 4" rear opening, I find this provides more spread and 3D tone live. Amps are mostly Marshall inspired - PWE Event Horizon, Bogner Shiva and Egnater Mod 50. Cabs are Bogner 212OS right now with Vintage 30s. Thinking about Retro 30s for this one? Stone Age 212C I am thinking Invaders or Invader/ET65 pair. THD 212 I am thinking ET65/Reaper 50 or Retro30/ET65, maybe Vet30/ET65.

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HI Vaughn, you really seem to know the speakers well and combinations! I am looking to upgrade to WGS in a few cabs. All cabs are semi open back - 4" rear opening, I find this provides more spread and 3D tone live. Amps are mostly Marshall inspired - PWE Event Horizon, Bogner Shiva and Egnater Mod 50. Cabs are Bogner 212OS right now with Vintage 30s. Thinking about Retro 30s for this one? Stone Age 212C I am thinking Invaders or Invader/ET65 pair. THD 212 I am thinking ET65/Reaper 50 or Retro30/ET65, maybe Vet30/ET65.

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Hi Richard,  If you're ever in Nashville, stop buy & we can compare speakers till the cows come home ... yea, I love that kind of thing!

Anyway, I also have a semi-open back cab ... an Avatar ... and it can be the best of both worlds in many situations. 

Here are my thoughts on your thoughts :-)

Q. Bogner 212OS right now with Vintage 30s. Thinking about Retro 30s for this one? ... A.sure, it will still be voiced similar to the Vint 30's ... but will be a lot more flexible with out the "ice pick" upper mid emphasis.

Q.Stone Age 212C I am thinking Invaders or Invader/ET65 pair. ... A. Do you like the GB growl?  If so, that's sorta where the Invaders live ... Adding the ET65 to the Invader will sort of tame the cab and add a very warm, solid bottom to the Invaders urgent growl.

Q. THD 212 I am thinking ET65/Reaper 50 or Retro30/ET65, maybe Vet30/ET65. ... A. GO ET65/Retro 30 for sure!!!! 

Hope this helps ... post back with your results!  -VS-

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I have 4X12 Vet30/ET-65.  I also have Retro 1X12.  (I also have to option of combining a single ET-65, with either ReaperHP or Invader.)

The Retro is the ULTIMATE in tone.  Yet,it causes slight ear fatigue; which is likely why WGS created the Vet30.

The Vet30 is a bit darker in tone.  As well as the ET-65 combined.  Because of this, it's a full sound, IMO.  Not as responsive as a Retro.  But complete.

ET-65 and Retro is a slight wider variation.  Same with Invader/ReaperHP.  I've got too many combinations running, which is why I'm not crazy about mixing now.  I don't have a 2X12 or 4X12 Cab with same speakers.

So if you're not into mixing and trying to create something different, the Retro/ET-65 (or 90) may be the way to go.

But if you already have some mixing, maybe Vet30/ET-65 for a rounder Cab.  Or if you've got just too much Vintage30 but don't want to move from that tone.

Also Amps matter, obviously.  Marshall is known for Vintage30 mix (Slash tone), but that's too much MIDS.  Which is also why WGS created the Vet30.

 

 

 

 

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Hi Holly,

I am far from knowing all of the WGS speaker goodness right now and focused more on the american voiced ones - but not only.

For you looking for a "Rock, Blues, Clean Tone" I can´t praise enough the ET-65 paired with a G10C, giving a good organic voice from the ET combined with a plus in shimmer from the G10, which has enough mids and bottom on its own. Regarding you being from germany (as I am as well) it´s easy to get a drop in 12 to 10 conversion at T-Town.

At the moment I got the G10C/G12C combination in my cab, which is also very nice, but might not be the right choice for an already bright amp.

If you are interested in my findings:

http://wgs4.com/mixing-g12c-g10c

best regards

Heiko

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I have an Dr Z M12 and a recently acquired diagonal 2X12 cab loaded with a WGS Black & Blue and a Reaper.  Also, I own an ET65 as well.  All individual speakers are 8 ohms.  The styles I lean toward is jazz fusion, and a bit of P&W, but I also want to be pull off a good marshall-ish tone with chunk & sizzle. My 2 questions are:

 

1.  What are some other combinations between these 3 that would fit the bill?

 

2.  Should keep it wired series at 16 ohm, or parallel at 4 ohm for best tone?

 

 

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I had the Retro30/ET65 mix for quite a bit in a 2X12 semi-open back cabinet and after spending some more time with this setup, the extended upper mids and highs in the Retro 30 were a little too pronounced for me. I decided to take a chance and ordered an Invader 50 to pair with the ET65. Man, what a difference. It's hard to describe in words but the cabinet just sounds so much more rock n roll. I know, that's totally subjective but the tone I'm getting with my rig ('67 Bassman) and guitars takes it more into a woody, natural (Greenback flavored) overdrive without the spiky mids and highs always being so in your face. I still stand out and have a sonic footprint in a live setting with another guitarist so that's important for me also. The ET65 holds the lows together and the Invader 50 has a touch more mids where they are more scooped in the ET65 and they both share the same higher frequencies. All together they pair very very well without one frequency dominating the sound.

I think the similar SPL of the ET65 and Invader 50 help also as the Retro 30 was just a little more dominant than the ET65 when I was running them together. I think Vaughan says the ET65/Invader combo is more "Marshallesque" and I would agree with him 100%. It's a great speaker combo for everything from cleans to light to medium gain overdrive and crunch (I'd say up to AC/DC and Social D overdrive). I'm not sure how it would do with high gain and palm muted stuff however.

Don't get me wrong, the Retro 30/ET65 is a fantastic combo but with an amp that has a tendency to be bright it can really accentuate that Retro 30 to the point where it get's a little over the top. I put the Retro 30 in a closed back 1X12 and it sounds really good in that set up, especially with the closed back cab.

Yeah, I'd call the ET65/Invader 50 a killer rock n roll combo.

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hi,

I'm looking for advice on speaker selection for a DIY 2x12 based on the dimensions of the Mesa vertical slant 2x12. 

I would like to make the cab really resonant to start off with willingness to add more bracing if I feel I need more volume and less resonance.  

My current amp is a Laney Cub 12r, which is only 15 watts and has a classic British voicing, but I'm thinking of eventually either getting a Carvin V3M head or some other modern high gain amp up to 50 watts. 

Would a set of regular Reapers be a good fit for this cab.  Since I want a the cab to really resonate would it be better to get 2 identical speakers or would there be a different speaker that would be a good match?  i initially wanted maximum volume in case I ever want to gig with this amp and had thought of a Reaper / Reaper 55 pairing, thinking the extra low end and reduced highs of the 55 paired with the tighter and brighter Reaper might make for a nice balance , but since deciding to start out going for maximum resonance instead and then bracing it up if I need more volume, I'm having second thoughts.  

 

If it helps, music I play ranges from blues and classic rock of the 60's and 70's all the way to modern metal.  I want something with a tight bottom end, punchy mids and highs that give clarity but are not too piercing.

 

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Hello, I'm planning on building or buying a 2x12 cab fopr the Retro 30/ET65 pairing. What dimensions or volume do you sugest?Also, should I cut the baffle to mount the speakers horizontal or diagnal? Is there a difference in sound? Thanks. 

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Here is the best sounding 2x12 cabinet design this side of a vintage Marshall Bluesbreaker (and yes, it is a BB copy).

Make it to these specs ... run it 1/3 open ... and post back when you've picked your jaw up off the ground!

avatarspeakers.com/home/product/g212-vintage