Yea, my thoughts exactly ... and ... I just filmed the shootout today!
I can't wait to see this!
Vaughn, do you still think the Retro 30 is the way to go for the SS22?
Still think the Retro 30 is the best choice for the SS22?
It's alive !
http://wgs4.com/awesome-fender-supersonic-22-gets-even-more-awesome
PLEASE! post your comments there ... let me know YOUR thoughts :-)
Great Job on the shootout Vaughn. I have to say I think the ET-90 really did well. I agree that the Reto's sounded overall more balanced but the clean from the ET was real, real nice!
Retro30, Reaper or ReaperHP, Et65 or ET90. Wich speaker choice for higher volume and clean without loosing the classic Fender vibe?
Yea ... probably the Retro 30 ... especially for the "chime"!
Vaughn, the ss22 is loud enough to play outdoor too in a rock band? (thinking a Stones cover band)
I did just such an outdoor show with mine this spring ... with the only thing in the PA being vocals ... and ...
No, not really ... with gain, sure ... but the huge amount of clean headroom that I have gotten used to with my Super Reverbs and Bandmasters just wasn't there :-(
It was sooo nice to move, and I went easy-peasy no-pedals, and probably everyone there thought the tone was just fine ... but again, I sure would have liked to have a little more clean headroom on some stuff.
with an et90 could be better?
Hey pi.ke,
I've got an ET90 that I currently don't have in a cab. Based upon this thread, I think I'm going to slap it in the SS22 and see how it does. I've got a Cannabis Rex in there now that I think sounds pretty good, but I would like to hear a touch more mids. I don't know if the ET90 can fit that bill, but I'll check it out and report back.
so for a 2X12 cabinet with a Retro 30 and an ET-65 given that the SS22 head has an 8 ohm output should I get the speakers in 16 ohm and wire them in parallel or 4 ohm and wire them in series?
Would the 16 ohm speakers have a brighter characteristic to them as apposed to the 4 ohm speakers?
The SS22 head required an 8 ohm cabinet. I want to load a 2X12 cabinet with a Retro 30 and an ET-65. Is there a huge sound difference between the 4 ohm and 16 ohm speakers?
Sarcoid: No, two 4-ohm in series will sound the same as two 16-ohm in Parallel. So, in making your decision ... I'd go with whatever will offer you the best flexibility for pairing it with any other amp you may come by.
A pair of 4-ohm speakers can be wired for either 8 or 2 ohms ... the later of which some tube amps (and nearly all solid-state amps) are not terribly happy with.
A pair of 16-ohm speakers can be wired for 8 or 32 ohms ... the later of which will be incompatible with nearly ALL tube amps ... and would render all SS amps very anemic.
So ... I guess I'd go with the pair of 4's if it were me...
Pike: I guess it all depends on how much clean headroom you want/need ... the ET90 does give you a fair bit more than stock in a SS22 ... but at it's heart it's still a 2 6v6 amp! I find it perfect for small clubs ... but like I said, outdoors it just couldn't move enough air to totally feel right.
i know that this thread is a few years old, but i want to add something. I own a Fender Supersonic 22, and it is one of the best amps ever made. Not at first though. initially, mine had some of the same problems mentioned by others, plus a reverb problem. I did some internet research and discovered that Fender had issued a factory recall to fix problems in the ss 22. I took my amp to Sam Ash who checked directly with Fender, and sure enough there was a recall. So the amp went in for factory repairs. Sam Ash fixed the reverb problem themselves. When I got the amp back i put in all Tungsol preamp and rectifier tubes, and JJ 6V6S power tubes. A speaker change was not needed, which was kind of a bummer, because i love WGS, and have WGS in several other combos and cabinets.
i know that this thread is a few years old, but i want to add something. I own a Fender Supersonic 22, and it is one of the best amps ever made. Not at first though. initially, mine had some of the same problems mentioned by others, plus a reverb problem. I did some internet research and discovered that Fender had issued a factory recall to fix problems in the ss 22. I took my amp to Sam Ash who checked directly with Fender, and sure enough there was a recall. So the amp went in for factory repairs. Sam Ash fixed the reverb problem themselves. When I got the amp back i put in all Tungsol preamp and rectifier tubes, and JJ 6V6S power tubes. A speaker change was not needed, which was kind of a bummer, because i love WGS, and have WGS in several other combos and cabinets.
I just bought a SS22 and have been dialing it in over the weekend. This is an amazing amp. I read all the reviews about the quality problems but I have had no issues. Stock, the amp has a spectacular clean channel. The burn channel was good but not quite to my liking. I have a retro 30 in a Peavey classic 50 combo and 2 reaper 50 HP's in another cabinet. I watched Vaughan's speaker shootout and decided to put the Retro 30 in the SS22. I would say the clean channel is still great but it lost just a hair of that fender sparkle but the burn channel is now awesome. Now I would say its a perfect amp and the damn thing weighs just 40 lbs. Out of curiousity I put the Fender Lightning bolt speaker in the Classic 50.. Same results..great clean terrible drive channel.
Kevin
I've had a Supersonic 22 head that I've gigged with a lot, I've tried it through multiple speakers including the Emi Cannabis Rex that seems to get a lot of praise for the SS22 on other forums. I found the Emi to be too dull to be honest and it killed that Fender "sparkle" on the clean channel. I really like the Reaper HP with it, a regular Reaper would sound good if you like your speaker to break up early but personally I want later break up so I can get more headroom out of the clean channel. I wouldn't mind trying a G12C/S with is but I don't know how it would go with the burn channel.
Maybe since I have the head I could use a 2x12 and mix a G12C/S with another speaker. any Ideas about what I might mix with the G12C/S?
Greetings All. I have a Goodsell GC-12 EL84/ EF86 with WGS speaker. Loving that speaker. BUT… I also have a newer Blues Junior III (with Cannabis Rex) and the 68 Custom Deluxe Reverb (Celestion V). As much as I love Fenders as the clean platform for my pedals, that BRIGHT, SPIKEY HIGH END has got to go.
I would rather err on the dark side with my choices (evidently my life motto) because I’ve never owned a Fender amp that was not a struggle with the high end.
I’ve tried to educate myself on WGS speakers and need something for both Fender amps. So far it looks like for the Blues Junior either the Retro 30 or the Reaper. And for the 68 CDR maybe the ET65, G12C/S or perhaps even the Invader 50.
SIDE NOTE: A friend just bought the 68 Custom Princeton Reverb and that is absolutely the sweetest tube amp I’ve ever played. It is everything you read it is and great with pedals. None of the typically spikey, overly bright high end on this one.